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	<description>&#34;I like a little science in my fiction&#34;</description>
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		<title>By: Dany</title>
		<link>http://scienceinmyfiction.com/2010/03/15/cooking-pasta-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-15067</link>
		<dc:creator>Dany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really good answer, full of ratioinlaty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really good answer, full of ratioinlaty!</p>
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		<title>By: Athena Andreadis</title>
		<link>http://scienceinmyfiction.com/2010/03/15/cooking-pasta-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Athena Andreadis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, heh!  Helping foster real science and the scientific mindset while having fun.  The best of combinations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, heh!  Helping foster real science and the scientific mindset while having fun.  The best of combinations!</p>
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		<title>By: ktholt</title>
		<link>http://scienceinmyfiction.com/2010/03/15/cooking-pasta-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>ktholt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is still one of my favorite moments from last year. &#039;Scrubba-scrubba&#039;. 

As a result of that conversation, I have plans to insert tiny scrubbing robots (with composters inside instead of vacuum bags) to roam the surfaces of the next big starship I write. Think, &lt;i&gt;Roombas on the Enterprise&lt;/i&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is still one of my favorite moments from last year. &#8216;Scrubba-scrubba&#8217;. </p>
<p>As a result of that conversation, I have plans to insert tiny scrubbing robots (with composters inside instead of vacuum bags) to roam the surfaces of the next big starship I write. Think, <i>Roombas on the Enterprise</i>!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Midgley</title>
		<link>http://scienceinmyfiction.com/2010/03/15/cooking-pasta-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Midgley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarke sorted out how to make tea on Mars, using a pressure cooker.

(You may want to revise the piece on the relationship between ambient pressure and time to reach boiling - if you were not cooking inside the pressurised habitat on Mars then your water would boil very easily at the low ambient pressure, whereas if you were in a habitat pressurised above 1 Bar you will have to put more heat into the water to boil it...)

Do you actually want to boil water though?

I think the problem is actually to reach 100 deg C, for tea and pasta, but only 85 deg C or so for coffee.

This is quite distinct from making bubbles, is it not?

So cook under pressure, perhaps more than 1 Bar, and control temperature directly.  And that is an incidental and probably irrelevant detail that I&#039;ve neither seen in any SF nor really need to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarke sorted out how to make tea on Mars, using a pressure cooker.</p>
<p>(You may want to revise the piece on the relationship between ambient pressure and time to reach boiling &#8211; if you were not cooking inside the pressurised habitat on Mars then your water would boil very easily at the low ambient pressure, whereas if you were in a habitat pressurised above 1 Bar you will have to put more heat into the water to boil it&#8230;)</p>
<p>Do you actually want to boil water though?</p>
<p>I think the problem is actually to reach 100 deg C, for tea and pasta, but only 85 deg C or so for coffee.</p>
<p>This is quite distinct from making bubbles, is it not?</p>
<p>So cook under pressure, perhaps more than 1 Bar, and control temperature directly.  And that is an incidental and probably irrelevant detail that I&#8217;ve neither seen in any SF nor really need to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Black</title>
		<link>http://scienceinmyfiction.com/2010/03/15/cooking-pasta-on-mars/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like a little science in my fiction, too, so I just wanted to add a little bit more of it:

Saturn is not nearly so explosive as you think.  Saturn&#039;s composition, more or less is about 96% hydrogen, 3% helium, 1% other stuff.

Most significantly, the &quot;other stuff&quot; category doesn&#039;t include oxygen.  Hydrogen doesn&#039;t explode by itself.  It explodes in the presence of sufficient oxygen (at the classic 2:1 ratio), when you give it a spark.  You could spark the crap out of Saturn&#039;s atmosphere and it isn&#039;t going to explode because there&#039;s just no oxygen floating around to combine with the hydrogen.

You can, indeed, forget about bringing a gas cooker to Saturn.  But not because you&#039;ll blow up the planet.  Rather, because there&#039;s no oxygen to help you burn the gas in your cooker!

As far as boiling water in zero-g, there&#039;s a difficulty you haven&#039;t explored.  When we boil water on Earth, the water boils at the bottom of the pot, the steam bubbles up to the top and escapes in the atmosphere.  It does this, of course, because gravity creates a pressure differential from the top to the bottom of the pot, and being less dense than liquid water, the pressure differential pushes the steam up to the top.  That is, the steam escapes because it floats.

In zero g, there&#039;s no pressure differential running through the water, and thus, no reason why the steam should escape at all.  What is likely to happen is that the water will stay liquid for a while, but then as it reaches the boiling point, steam bubbles will form more or less well distributed throughout the volume of water.  These bubbles will expand rapidly (explosively), because they add surface area through which other water molecules can transition from liquid to vapor phase: every molecule that vaporizes makes it easier for other molecules to do the same, so you get a runaway effect.

Basically, in zero-g the water will do nothing for a long time, and then explode in a foam of steam and hot water that rapidly converts to all steam.  Ouch.

As an engineering problem, though, the answer is pretty straightforward.  The water just needs some artificial gravity, which you can get by boiling it in a container that is rotating at the end of a bar of sufficient length, perhaps counter-balanced by a heavy weight.  That will create a pressure differential which will allow the steam to escape safely by floating &quot;up&quot; in the normal manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like a little science in my fiction, too, so I just wanted to add a little bit more of it:</p>
<p>Saturn is not nearly so explosive as you think.  Saturn&#8217;s composition, more or less is about 96% hydrogen, 3% helium, 1% other stuff.</p>
<p>Most significantly, the &#8220;other stuff&#8221; category doesn&#8217;t include oxygen.  Hydrogen doesn&#8217;t explode by itself.  It explodes in the presence of sufficient oxygen (at the classic 2:1 ratio), when you give it a spark.  You could spark the crap out of Saturn&#8217;s atmosphere and it isn&#8217;t going to explode because there&#8217;s just no oxygen floating around to combine with the hydrogen.</p>
<p>You can, indeed, forget about bringing a gas cooker to Saturn.  But not because you&#8217;ll blow up the planet.  Rather, because there&#8217;s no oxygen to help you burn the gas in your cooker!</p>
<p>As far as boiling water in zero-g, there&#8217;s a difficulty you haven&#8217;t explored.  When we boil water on Earth, the water boils at the bottom of the pot, the steam bubbles up to the top and escapes in the atmosphere.  It does this, of course, because gravity creates a pressure differential from the top to the bottom of the pot, and being less dense than liquid water, the pressure differential pushes the steam up to the top.  That is, the steam escapes because it floats.</p>
<p>In zero g, there&#8217;s no pressure differential running through the water, and thus, no reason why the steam should escape at all.  What is likely to happen is that the water will stay liquid for a while, but then as it reaches the boiling point, steam bubbles will form more or less well distributed throughout the volume of water.  These bubbles will expand rapidly (explosively), because they add surface area through which other water molecules can transition from liquid to vapor phase: every molecule that vaporizes makes it easier for other molecules to do the same, so you get a runaway effect.</p>
<p>Basically, in zero-g the water will do nothing for a long time, and then explode in a foam of steam and hot water that rapidly converts to all steam.  Ouch.</p>
<p>As an engineering problem, though, the answer is pretty straightforward.  The water just needs some artificial gravity, which you can get by boiling it in a container that is rotating at the end of a bar of sufficient length, perhaps counter-balanced by a heavy weight.  That will create a pressure differential which will allow the steam to escape safely by floating &#8220;up&#8221; in the normal manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Spacedlaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spacedlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact I was puzzled by the statement (in the ESA daily life article) that the taste buds are getting less active with microgravity. Not too sure why (possibly they just don&#039;t regenerate as quickly) and I&#039;d have to contact one of our space doctors for an explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact I was puzzled by the statement (in the ESA daily life article) that the taste buds are getting less active with microgravity. Not too sure why (possibly they just don&#8217;t regenerate as quickly) and I&#8217;d have to contact one of our space doctors for an explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Athena Andreadis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athena Andreadis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No maybe about it, Tom: we have receptors in our tongue and mouth for the basic tastes and our sense of taste is also coupled to our sense of smell.  Any change in either/both of these will affect how we perceive and crave food.

I somehow doubt that Klingons only saw three colors.  Their clothes alone suggest they see the entire spectrum that Humans did (so does the fact that the two can interbreed).

More of this, if you&#039;re curious in my book To Seek Out New Life: The Biology of Star Trek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No maybe about it, Tom: we have receptors in our tongue and mouth for the basic tastes and our sense of taste is also coupled to our sense of smell.  Any change in either/both of these will affect how we perceive and crave food.</p>
<p>I somehow doubt that Klingons only saw three colors.  Their clothes alone suggest they see the entire spectrum that Humans did (so does the fact that the two can interbreed).</p>
<p>More of this, if you&#8217;re curious in my book To Seek Out New Life: The Biology of Star Trek.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Pope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food is not a minimal concern. We all eat everyday. So designing our food for a worldbuilding would require research into how chemistry affects various lifeforms. Our particular building blocks lends us to appreciate the blends of sweet, sour, salty, and bitter. But maybe our structure makes us enjoy this chemical make up of those flavors. I would find it fascinating to explore who a different chemistry would make a Jovian or Martian enjoy an entirely different set up of how the elements combine.

I believe Klingons only saw three colors. What would that do to food appreciation? How does that play with the preparation of gaah?

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food is not a minimal concern. We all eat everyday. So designing our food for a worldbuilding would require research into how chemistry affects various lifeforms. Our particular building blocks lends us to appreciate the blends of sweet, sour, salty, and bitter. But maybe our structure makes us enjoy this chemical make up of those flavors. I would find it fascinating to explore who a different chemistry would make a Jovian or Martian enjoy an entirely different set up of how the elements combine.</p>
<p>I believe Klingons only saw three colors. What would that do to food appreciation? How does that play with the preparation of gaah?</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl&#39;s Mewsings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linkage in Progress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl&#39;s Mewsings &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linkage in Progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Things You Should Be Reading March 17, 2010 &#171; Basement Stories</title>
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		<dc:creator>Things You Should Be Reading March 17, 2010 &#171; Basement Stories</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] should read . . .  Cooking Pasta on Mars, about the complications of making decent food during space [...]</description>
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